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High Street Coffee chains

Postby Achtung Englander » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:28 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44625877

Costa UK coffee sales fall by 2%, says owner Whitbread. They are blaming a slow down in the high street but cmon it could be because you are selling a 30p coffee for £3.30 and people have wised up. I know companies need to make money but the margins here must be some of the highest compared to buying popcorn in cinema (actually this can be justified as cinemas make very little from ticket receipts).

I used to buy mochas and winter hot chocolates quite a lot just up to a couple of years ago but recently I am hardly buying at all. My go to poison is Cafe Nero's Hot Chocolate Miliano (which is amazing on a cold day) but they are like £3.5 a pop. Given you can buy Steam games cheaper than a coffee, I just wait till I get home and make a brew, saving some money. Although it is not the exact same experience than a high street coffee drink, I cannot justify to myself the amount of money it costs. If they were £2 it would be a no brainer, even £2.5 would be impulse buy, but given almost every drink is north of £3, I don't know.

They are now the occasional present to myself. I will avoid Shitbucks, their drinks are yank. God knows how they are the no.1 coffee shop
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Wrathbone » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:50 am

I like coffee, but the whole coffee shop culture is something I will never understand. I think part of it is that I drink way, way more tea than coffee, but even when I want a coffee I'm content with instant stuff. I'd much rather have a Nescafe than go through the rigmarole of queuing for an age, paying stupid money, then waiting awkwardly amidst the relentless noise and heat for a drink that's going to be too hot to drink for the next 15 minutes.
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Sly Boots » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:53 am

The only time I visit one of these places is if I'm going somewhere for a meeting and have some time to kill before it starts. I'm not a beverage snob at all, so a cup of instant is more than good enough for me at a fraction of the cost.

Pubs too seem to have become ludicrously over-priced. Met up with friends recently and a round for the three of us was £11 a time. How can people afford to socialise any more?
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby gpa-gone-west » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:54 am

My reasons for always going to Costa are simple. Starbucks is too weak and Cafe Nero is too strong, plus I like the taste, costa just hits the spot for me. Plus its the nearest to me. I would have to go right into town to go to the others. I could go to Thorntons and get a free chocky with my drink, but its usually full of grannies.

I think you are right about Starbucks though. God knows how they are up there at the top. The cafe's have not been changed or upgraded in donkeys years, and the coffee is weak as water.
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby gpa-gone-west » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:56 am

Sly Boots wrote:Pubs too seem to have become ludicrously over-priced. Met up with friends recently and a round for the three of us was £11 a time. How can people afford to socialise any more?


I remember beer being 50p a pint, and you could get pissed on a a fiver. There was uproar when it went up to 55p a pint.
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Postby Wrathbone » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:03 am

I also have these occasionally:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lyons-Coffee-B ... offee+bags

To my uncultured taste buds they're as good as any flat white you'll get from a coffee shop, and at that price it's about 17p per cup.
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Sly Boots » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:07 am

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Sly Boots wrote:Pubs too seem to have become ludicrously over-priced. Met up with friends recently and a round for the three of us was £11 a time. How can people afford to socialise any more?


I remember beer being 50p a pint, and you could get pissed on a a fiver. There was uproar when it went up to 55p a pint.


When I stopped going to pubs regularly (mainly as myself and friends all moved out of home town and ended up scattered around the country) the beer was at the £1.80 to £2 mark (this was London, mind you). But there was a place up the road from our college where we'd go and have something called Scotch Bitter for 85p a pint throughout A Levels. It tasted foul, but it was hard to pass up at that price :lol:
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Mournblade » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:44 am

I like Starbucks' Caramel Macchiato. That's my beverage of choice whenever I go there.

Or it was. It's currently priced at £3.60. Ten years ago, before I was married, I would drink a large one of those every day, about 3-4pm, to jump-start my brain to help get through the afternoon to the 6pm finish time at work. I'd always take it outside though. Like Wrathbone, I love coffee but I don't appreciate the coffee shop culture. After I was married I had to suddenly become responsible with my money (not sure why ¬_¬) and I stopped going to Starbucks.

There was a Costa inside my place of work for a while (it's been taken over by a different company now, but I've forgotten their name) and for a while I was buying a £2.20 latte each day. However, a few years ago I realised I could save a lot of money by not doing that (not sure why it took me so long to realise this ¬_¬) so now I'm just drinking about five mugs of instant each day. I've had a lot of different brands of instant and most of them are terrible. The only brand I can tolerate is Kenco's so-called 'Barista Style' Millicano.

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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Snowy » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:48 am

I don't understand coffee-shop culture - I think it is something we have appropriated from America, France, Spain and Italy but speaking personally I have no propensity for it.

I love coffee, but the concept of paying beer prices for it is just insane (and don't get me started on beer prices!). Also on the rare occasion when I do visit coffee shops, having to queue for a bloody eternity before having some knobber insist on my name so they can get it wrong when my drink is ready - not a good use of my time sorry.

When I started with my current employer, I found they had a Costa in the office which was initially the cause of much jubilation. That proved short-lived though, as it didn't take long for me to realise I was spending upwards of £30 per week on coffee - a new game each week for some coffee.

I bought a bean-to-cup coffee machine from Amazon (DeLonghi Magnifica if anyone is interested - very low maintenance, easy to clean and makes fantastic coffee) for about £250, a big travel mug (Bodum), and I make myself a large Americano using that every morning, and that fuels me for the day.
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Mournblade » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:53 am

Snowy wrote:I don't understand coffee-shop culture - I think it is something we have appropriated from America


Nope. Coffee shop culture started in England in the 17th century.

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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Mantis » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:57 am

I've always quite liked visiting coffee shops, though I prefer to support local small businesses rather than go to huge chains. The coffee is usually nicer in my current spot and they source different flavours of beans from all over the world.

Having said that, I've also cut back massively on how often I frequent these places. I used to do a Costa a day, but then I cut sugar almost entirely out of my diet a couple of years ago and found it seriously limited my choice of drink from their menu. I started saving a lot of money when I stopped using the Costa branded point in our office too.

I've got a nice little Nespresso machine at home that usually provides for all my needs nowadays.

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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Wrathbone » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:58 am

Mournblade wrote:
Snowy wrote:I don't understand coffee-shop culture - I think it is something we have appropriated from America


Nope. Coffee shop culture started in England in the 17th century.


I bet Mrs Miggins didn't demand your name, question all the possible variables of what sort of coffee you want and then tit around with a deafening steamer machine for five minutes before reminding you there's a tip jar.
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby katarn » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:17 am

Coffee's not really my thing anyway tbh. I don't dislike it, and I get that it delivers a big caffeine hit, but I've never seen the appeal of the strength of coffee versus the more subtle flavour of tea. It's very rare I have one.

As for expensive coffee shops, well, I guess if people want to pour their money into them that's up to them. Sometimes it's just a convenient social place to gather.

But going each day to purchase a coffee and taking it back to the office soon adds up. My sister was spending £20+ a week easily, which was £1k off her yearly salary. She soon quit doing it once I pointed it out to her; free instant coffee from the office kitchen is worth £1k a year....

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Postby Dr@gon-UK » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:21 am

Dolce Gusto machine at home, less than 50p a cup and great coffee. Quids in.
If I'm out I'll go to Coffee#1 if there's one available as they're less of a conveyer-belt atmosphere and their reward scheme isn't bad. Saw a tv show recently comparing the various coffee reward schemes, turns out you'd have to spend £45 at Costa to earn enough for 1 free coffee. :shock:
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Re: High Street Coffee chains

Postby Mournblade » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:25 am

Wrathbone wrote:
Mournblade wrote:
Snowy wrote:I don't understand coffee-shop culture - I think it is something we have appropriated from America


Nope. Coffee shop culture started in England in the 17th century.


I bet Mrs Miggins didn't demand your name, question all the possible variables of what sort of coffee you want and then tit around with a deafening steamer machine for five minutes before reminding you there's a tip jar.


If you're interested, here's a couple of articles about the subject:

http://www.danceshistoricalmiscellany.c ... fee-house/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_c ... _centuries

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