Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

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Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Mantis » Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:51 pm

I'm running a cheap D Link DIR-615 router (supplied by the loving Virgin Media) that uses dynamic IPs every time a user connects, there's six of us all with a number of devices so nobody has the same IP for very long. To get around the issue of my 360 having poor NAT accessibility and never finding any games I gave it a static IP and put it in the routers DMZ to bypass all the security but since doing that everyone has been having trouble connecting to the network. Whenever anyone turns a device off and on they find that the network availability is limited and we have to reboot the router for them to be assigned an IP, hell, even the 360 has the same problem even though it's got a static IP. Using the DMZ has solved my NAT issues but now the connectivity is driving us mad. There's not much point being able to play the 360 online when I have to exit a game every ten minutes to reboot the network for someone.

Anyone ever encountered similar problems when putting their own consoles in the DMZ or giving it a dedicated IP? I'm not sure whether it's the DMZ causing the problem or the fact it has a static IP. I've yet to try turning DMZ off and simply forwarding the ports for that IP but I doubt it'll fix the issue since the problem is that nobody else is given a randomly generated IP and it's more likely that having one static is causing conflict somehow.

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Mantis » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:45 pm

Nobody? Fat lot of good you guys are then. -_-

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Quietman » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:46 pm

Get a better router?
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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby katarn » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:50 pm

Yeah, sounds like quite a specialist networking question. Perhaps there's a more tech-focused forum somewhere that would help you out better?

Most of us on here are only good with TVs and graphics cards. ¬_¬

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Mantis » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:52 pm

I was sure there were a few tech savvy people on here. I've posted it elsewhere on more specialist forums anyway but haven't had much luck on any of them either.

Quietman wrote:Get a better router?


I was hoping for some sort of alternative fix than that. If there's nobody techy enough to give me the science behind the problem then I might just have to buy a new one.

Thread repurposing:
Anyone know of any decent wireless routers for a communal home?

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Quietman » Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:06 pm

Well there's no reason I can think of that assigning one fixed IP would bork the IP designation for anything else...
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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Animalmother » Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:49 pm

Probably bugger all use to but you could try opening the ports on the router to see if that helps...

http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Dlink/DIR-615/Xbox_Live_360.htm

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Tichinde » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:15 am

Give everyone a fixed IP address, if the issue goes away, then the DHCP controller on the router is probably crap.

Considering it hasn't seen a firmware update for around 3 years (2 for the 2nd revision of hardware, and that's rarely a good sign if you have the first), make sure it's as up to date as it can be.
Also, you shouldn't need to put the XBox in the DMZ, it just means you probably need to open a couple of ports on the firewall for it.

So (in order to try really)
Firmware check and upgrade
XBox out of the DMZ (with firewall ports opening if required)
And give every device it's own IP
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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Mantis » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:29 am

The firmware is all up to date as far as I can see. The whole thing kept crashing a few months ago before I applied the most recent release. I haven't given everyone a static IP yet but I took the Xbox out of the DMZ last night and opened its required ports. The NAT stayed open and it worked but the connection is still sketchy for everyone, I even had to reboot it so I could connect this morning and that normally doesn't happen.

Is it safe to give everyone a static IP? I always assumed it defaulted to dynamic for a reason.

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Quietman » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:52 am

It's perfectly safe. Granted you will almost certainly get hacked within seconds of going online but apart from that it's perfectly safe.
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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Mantis » Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:50 am

Point taken.

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Tichinde » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:37 pm

Quietman wrote:It's perfectly safe. Granted you will almost certainly get hacked within seconds of going online but apart from that it's perfectly safe.


Yes, because the LAN IP address of a device has everything to do with the WAN IP address of your router provided by your ISP which is quite frequently dynamic unless otherwise requested...........
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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Quietman » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:11 pm

Oh dear.
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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Mantis » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:21 am

So, giving everyone a fixed IP hasn't fixed the issue at all. Time to buy a new router I guess.

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Re: Router Woes with the DMZ & Xbox 360

Postby Wolfy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:19 pm

We've learnt a very important lesson today. If it doesn't work, chuck it in the fucking bin and get one that does.
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