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Postby Dan » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:35 pm

I'm planning on building a new PC in a week or so and would like some input on the parts I intent to get.

Asus P5N32-E PLUS SLi nForce (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard - £117.50
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 "LGA775 Conroe" 3.00GHz (1333FSB) - Retail - £199.74
OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) PC2-8500 1066MHz SLI-Ready Edition Dual Channel DDR2 - £105.74 (x2)
OcUK GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - OEM - £317.24
Western Digital Raptor 150GB WD1500ADFD 10,000RPM SATA 16MB Cache - OEM - £139.81
Creative X-Fi Xtreme Gamer Fatal1ty Professional 7.1 Soundcard - Retail - £89.29
Tagan TG600-U25 600W ATX2.0 Dual Engine Silent SLi Compliant Silent PSU - £96.34


There are a few bits in there i'm uncertain about.

The graphics card - It's £40-£70 cheaper than the other 8800GTXs but only comes with a 1year warranty compared to 2, 3 or even lifetime ones on the other more expensive versions. Is this cost cutting going to come back to haunt me?

The PSU - At some point in the future I could see myself adding a second 8800GTX plus I'm bringing across 3 SATA storage drives and 2 SATA optical drives from my current PC on top of the new raptor. Is 600W going to be enough?

The Motherboard - The reviews i read seemed highly favourable especially considering its price next to true 680i boards but is it the right choice?


Anyway, glad I waited untill now to do this, the Core 2 Duo E6850 seems to be a massive bargain, nearly £400 cheaper than the EX6800 which it apparently outperforms. :shock:

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Postby Dyu » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:32 pm

Isn't the Quad E6600 a better choice? It's only £30 more expensive.
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Postby JonB » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:19 pm

Wait until the 22nd. There is a price drop for all intel CPU's. Also, go for a P35 chipset based motherboard. Their the new technology. No point buying the old stuff!

As for games, the E6850 out performs the Q6600 at the moment, but thats because most games don't have decent multicore support. When they do, the Q6600, should outperform the E6850 quite easily. That and you can overclock the Q6600 quite well on air too.

Everything else is a wise choice.

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Postby Dan » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:23 pm

The E6850 is slightly faster than the EX6800 (the nearest thing on any of these benchmarks).

From all the benchmarks I've found the EX6800 usually outperforms a Q6600 in games (often buy a reasonable amount).

The Q6600 sometimes overtakes it in more numbercrunchy encoding/rendering type stuff but I never do anything like that, purely gaming.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html? ... &chart=166


EDIT basically mirroring what was said above it seems. Also I have to wait untill the 23rd because the E6850 isn't out untill then, it's up for preorder at the minute. :P

As for the motherboard, can you suggest a particular model?

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Postby JonB » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:31 pm

But thats because most games don't have multi-core support, so the higher clock frequency comes into play. Just wait until crysis and alan wake and the multi-core patch for source comes out I expect it to be a different story. Plus, you can overclock the Q6600 to 3.0 GHz on air easy.

EDIT: Personally I'd got for a Gigabyte DS4

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Postby Nethlyn » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:49 pm

"Within the next week" is the right time to wait, Intel's scheduled price cut is Monday 23rd. See what the prices look like then and that may help with the budget [EDIT] But you knew that from the above :P

The mobo - yes the P35 Chipset got a good writeup, but you will have to decide on the DDR 2 or 3 version. Anandtech's first test detected not much performance difference in between the two memory standards now, but depends on later whether it matters when you will have such a quick HDD and I assume this board will have a second bank for you to install a second batch of 2Gigs if you like.

Personally if you want to SLI my attitude would be it would be better to go for cards with longer warranties even if you're not actually pushing them by SLI-ing in the same way that overclocking would.

Free up a hundred quid in your budget by sticking with Onboard sound, at least give it a try espcially if you're going to run Vista. It might be a second delivery charge to add it in later if you choose it but if you like the on-board chipset, why spend more.

That'll give you more cash to go up minimum by another 50 watts and preferably 100 on the PSU, if you're going to have the case and CPU and chipset fans, two graphics cards and five optical drives by the time Frankenstein is ready.

[EDIT] Can't disagree with Giga-byte, that's what is powering my A64 right now, I've had two more years out of it after Doug sold it on and I've never had a problem.

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Postby Liam » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:59 pm

Q6600 will be same price as the E6850 or slightly cheaper.

It's a very tough call between them... one I'm trying to decide my self.

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E6850:
+~5-15% Better performance in currently released games
+Probably runs slightly cooler
-Mostly slower at everything but games

Q6600:
+Generally a lot better at everything apart from games
+Although slower at games, 10% only means 4-10 extra frames per second if you're playing over 30fps (Which you will be). Can you tell the difference between 50 and 55 fps?
+Will possibly over take E6850 on next gen titles, very hard to tell yet though.
-Runs slightly hotter, takes more juice.

Will be interesting to see E6850 vs Q6600 benchmarks on Crysis and Source engine after the multithread update that's coming.

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Postby JonB » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:04 pm

The one that stands out to me there is the Lost Planet benchmark. It's a new game which will have multicore support. The Q6600 beats the E6850 by a good 20%. I'm tempted to wait and see what crysis and hl:ep2 and alan wake or like before choosing. My p4 is running well for at the moment!

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Postby Liam » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:07 pm

That could just a be freak occurance. Lost planet is a dodgy console port.

Also SupCom which is multithreaded and will use 4 cores, runs better on the E6850 which has the higher clockrate, 2x3Ghz vs 4x2.4Ghz.

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Postby Dan » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:09 pm

Massive article on Tomshardware on the new Intel CPUs from yesterday.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/cpu-chart ... -2351.html

The E6850 wins pretty much all the game benchmarks (some of them by quite a lot) and even manages to win a fair few of the more computational ones.

Looking at these i'm more towards the E6850 since hard evidence is more convincing than speculation about how the Q6600 will probably improve with future games. :?


On the power supply points, the 700W version of the Tagan i picked out is £15 more and the 800W is £6 more than that. For £21 i may as well jump up to the 800W I guess.

Also, I've decided to jump up to the cheapest decent name 8800GTX, which happens to be a Leadtek at £35 more.

And finally, I'm going to buy one of these amusingly large things to replace the stock cooler.

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Postby Tintin » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:59 am

PSU. You really should look for a ATX2.2 version over the ATX2.0

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Postby Dan » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:21 am

Ok that leads me onto this

Enermax Infiniti 650W EIN650AWT ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU - £111.61

There is a 720W one at £20 more but from readig the description I'm pretty sure this will be sufficient.



All these little upgrades are pushing me over the amount i'd ideally like to spend and I'm beginning to question buying the raptor. I could get a bigger hard drive for a quarter of the price! Is it *really* worth it?
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Postby Wrathbone » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:27 am

To be honest, a Tagan 350W would probably be sufficient. Only just, though. :wink:
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Postby Girdag » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:00 am

This is a lot cheaper, and Corsair PSUs have a very good reputation.
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