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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Sly Boots » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:43 am

Perhaps unsurprising, it seems much like the situations we've seen in this country with the TV industry in the 70s and 80s, and youth football coaching. It seems that a particular type of person is attracted to industries where they can assume positions of power and have ready access to large numbers of impressionable children and young adults.

I really hope there isn't a figure in Hollywood to compare with Savile or Barry Bennell (paedophile football coach currently being prosecuted, look it up if you weren't already aware of it through not following football), but chances are there could be. If so, then hopefully they are exposed.
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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Jez » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:20 pm

Sale with police, etc. These places attract "gremlins"

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Mantis » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:53 pm

Like I said, it's these positions of power that bring out something deep within people that any one of us are capable of. The human mind is a weird, horrific thing and it is these positions of power that encourage the darker thoughts. Celebrities in particular live in a world of their own where I'm sure many of them fully expect to be able to get away with such things.

Louis CK has admitted to everything and written a 500+ word statement of apology to the New York Times.

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I want to address the stories told to the New York Times by five women named Abby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not.

These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.

I have been remorseful of my actions. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of the extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took advantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, which disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when they tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t think that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think about it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with.

I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example to them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work.

The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and have worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by all of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of Better Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You Daddy. I deeply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky who only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie and every other entity that has bet on me through the years. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother.

I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I will now step back and take a long time to listen.

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Sly Boots » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:02 pm

I take the opposite view, Mantis. While obviously not wanting to suggest it's the same for everyone, I think it's more people with these tendencies being attracted to situations and positions where they can indulge their proclivities and get away with it. I have no doubt that had Savile not entered the entertainment industry, or had Bennell not become a football coach, their sickness would have manifested in other ways. Depressingly, had they just been Joe Bloggs from up the road they probably would have been caught a lot sooner. Louis CK would probably have been the guy flashing schoolgirls in the local park.

That's not to say that power can't warp people's minds, it can, but when it comes to particularly sexual perversions such as these, the positions these people attain serve to enable what's already there rather than being the root cause of it.
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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby eVoL » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:14 am

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Jez » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:55 am

Think there's a danger of a sniff of "cash in" about a lot of this sort of thing.

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Raid » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:05 pm

I think it's more that stories become more believable when they're aired in a context of mass accusation. I've never been in this situation, but I imagine it takes a hell of a lot of courage to accuse someone so popular of this kind of crime, and people not believing an accusation is going to be a significant worry.

So while I'm not denying that it's a possibility, it's important that we don't pick and choose which stories to believe just because of how well regarded a particular accusee is.

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Sly Boots » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:51 pm

The Takei one sounds pretty bad. If the guy was passing out after a couple of drinks it sounds like there was probably something in them. And also bad because Takei was one of those speak out in condemnation of Spacey, which looks pretty hypocritical now.
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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Raid » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:32 pm

Ellen Page posted this on Facebook. It's worth a read, although it's fairly depressing stuff.

When I was sixteen a director took me to dinner (a professional obligation and a very common one). He fondled my leg under the table and said, “You have to make the move, I can’t.” I did not make the move and I was fortunate to get away from that situation. It was a painful realization: my safety was not guaranteed at work. An adult authority figure for whom I worked intended to exploit me, physically. I was sexually assaulted by a grip months later. I was asked by a director to sleep with a man in his late twenties and to tell them about it. I did not. This is just what happened during my sixteenth year, a teenager in the entertainment industry.


I can't fathom how seemingly an entire industry can get into this state, especially when it claims to be so open minded. Every year, Oscar speeches go on about helping the needy, when internally Hollywood is seemingly an absolute cesspool.

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Prey » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:02 am

Sylvester Stallone's name has now been added to the list. :(

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Jez » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:11 am

I think you could put just about every bloke in Hollywood on that list for something or other.

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby eVoL » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:36 am

Always thought Goldblum would be on there by now...
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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby katarn » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:40 am

He's a bit touchy in general, but I always get the impression he's genuine and platonic with it. At least.... I hope.

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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Achtung Englander » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:39 pm

It is a shame about Kevin Spacey. I really like the guy's acting but there is no defence regards his actions.

My fear is that as more stories of sexual misconduct come out, the fine line between sexual banter that we need as a species to meet and impress the opposite sex and sexual misconduct becomes even more thinner. Personally I like complimenting women on how they look because nine times out of ten it makes them feel better and it usually warms the atmosphere, but I will find I will do less of that in case I get accused to being a perv or something similar. It is the same problem when you say to a parent "your son / daughter looks sweet" or "they look cute". Some, not all, may suspect that I am peado (even though I have a son). So these kind of statements can now only be done with people you know really well and have strong confidence will not take it the wrong way.

The biggest victim in all of this is innocence and empathy.Remember when Trump said to Macron wife "you look in great shape", 99/100 I think the man is absolute moron but in this occasion I genuinely think he was trying to pay her an honest compliment. The whole notion that beauty is the inner person has, imo, been hijacked to excuse people to essentially let go of themselves and become obese. 1 in every 5 people now in the UK is clinically obese. I am getting sidetracked......
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Re: Hollywood now Bust.

Postby Medicine Man » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:10 pm

1 in 5 is generous in the extreme imo

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