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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Mantis » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:15 pm

I do hope they go down that route, the theories I've read about the concept of the 'grey' Jedi are quite a good idea in how they'd throw something new at the movies.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Raid » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:32 pm

It's clear Luke has been something of a grey Jedi ever since RotJ during which he force chokes Jabba's guards and also channels his anger (rather than repressing it as I think Yoda teaches him to do) to defeat Vader at the end, which is generally a Sith trait. I do hope that's the route they're going down, as it'll be much more interesting than the usual good versus evil dichotomy.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Snowy » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:16 am

My brother has bought me a midnight showing ticket for Weds. Given that I will be in the office that day, meaning up at 6am, my guess is I will be fast asleep before the adverts finish.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Jez » Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:27 pm

This seems to massively meeting with fan approval, best ever SW many are saying with mark hamill in particular getting high praise. Will need to book a ticket i think.

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Wrathbone » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:15 am

Verdict: It's good, at times great, but beware of the reviews giving it gushing adulation. This is high-tier Star Wars, not an Empire Strikes Back-beater, so temper your expectations. Personally I'd place it alongside The Force Awakens (which I really like).

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If this seems negative it's because I had over-inflated expectations, some of which I think it could have met. I don't want to call it a failed opportunity... it simply plays things too safe at times, whereas the trailers suggested otherwise to me.

The good, first. Mark Hamill is superb, as is Carrie Fisher. Daisy Ridley is a much stronger actor now than in the first film, too. The story is good, if not what I'd imagined. A few moments are up there with the best Star Wars has ever done. Visually there is some really striking stuff, yet none of it matches the awe of the crashed Star Destroyer on Jakku in TFA.

The biggest issue I have with it is Rian Johnson's inability to hold back on cheap laughs. Think the stormtroopers in TFA slowly backing away from Kylo Ren's rage fit - a fun, indulgent moment which plays up to the audience, but in TLJ it's every 10-15 minutes and at times massively inappropriate. One of the most powerful scenes in the film culminates with not one, not two, but three jokes in close succession which had the audience laughing heartily when they should have, could have, been gripped to their seats, and that drives me crazy. If Rian Johnson is incapable of restraint even at the most critical dramatic moments then I have serious fears for him heading an entire trilogy. I'd also say that there's a tighter cut around the 2 hours 10 mins mark rather than 2 hours 30 which probably would have been better.

It's a good film. The highs are higher and the lows are lower than TFA. I enjoyed it as a Star Wars film and in its own right. I just wish it had been something greater, and the disappointing thing is that I think it could have been.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby can't think of one » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:39 pm

Pretty much agreed with what you said! I'm gonna some add some random thoughts with spoilers:

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The planet casino section of the movie to me could have been removed or replaced by something else. To me, it was tedious and boring

Captain Phasma was underused...again!

Who was Snoke then? they’ve thrown this incredibly powerful dark force user at us with no explanation whatsoever and then bumped him off!

Domhnall Gleeson is a good actor but he is fucking awful in these movies

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Wrathbone » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:40 pm

Agreed on all those. I don't want to throw too much criticism at it yet because I think it needs time to sink in and I honest to god did like it, but the more I think about it the more of it falls apart.

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The film raises more questions than it answers, and the questions it does answer are almost dismissive. The revelation that Rey's parents were nobody important, for instance - that's fine, that's more or less what I'd suggested earlier in this thread, except the difference is TLJ doesn't offer anything interesting around that (such as her being another Chosen One, which wasn't refuted but is now looking less likely). You don't ask the question if the answer doesn't matter!

Again, with Snoke - what was the point? I really hope there's more to that in episode 9 because to introduce a character that esoteric and then kill him with no exploration of who he is other than "Bad Guy" is crazy.

Totally agree with the casino stuff, which was mostly filler. I was also annoyed because all the talk of a card player/gambler/scoundrel got my hopes up for Lando returning, and instead we got Benicio Del Toro doing an impersonation of Jack Sparrow. And while we're talking about pointless bits, what was the point in Laura Dern's Admiral Hobo (?) character? Her entire purpose was to show the reckless side of Poe, which could easily have been done with Leia more effectively, and also to give a heroic sacrifice at the end (which I didn't care about).... which could easily have been done with Leia more effectively.

Since I'm on a roll, I may as well have a snipe at the start too. The timeline of this film makes no sense. The rolling spiel states that the Republic has been defeated - something that seems odd considering at the end of the last film the First Order were made out to be powerful but still very much the underdog to the Republic, and their Not-A-Death-Star had been destroyed. So I assumed that several years at least had passed in which the Republic had slowly been destroyed. Except then we're shown Rey picking up from the very same scene that ended TFA. WTF? So... is the stuff with the resistance happening concurrently and somehow the Republic was defeated overnight? Or are the scenes with Rey and Luke significantly earlier than the resistance scenes, only picking up when Rey leaves? It's not a trivial thing to overlook either, as it took me out of the film while I was trying to figure out when everything was happening and how.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby can't think of one » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:30 pm

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I did think they could have switched Admiral Hodo's sacrifice with Leia but then we wouldn't of have that wonderful reunion scene. Also whoever decided to kill off Admiral Ackbar....fuck you!

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Sly Boots » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:50 pm

Hm... I didn't really think much of TFA, so now I'm not sure what to think... :/
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Nethlyn » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:35 pm

I rewatched Rogue One two days ago and whenever TLJ is serious it leans more towards RO's grittier tone, and the money's on the screen with the effects as you expect. That's the good.

The bad? I agree with Can't Think Of One in that
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The casino scene stampede and chase felt like something out of Attack of The Clones with a Jurassic Park twist, and it was the one scene that could've been cut as the action dragged. The main Lightsabre battle had more of a Prequels feel from the way it was shot but aside from a lack of proper background to the set, that action was good.


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For the first time you were forced to suspend your disbelief about how space works during one of the battles. Another recent Disney film did something similar and the execution was much better.


The villains felt as wasted as the average MCU film which I didn't think would happen again from Force Awakens but it's something we'll have to get used to now Disney's in control.

So, one scene that's too long and some appearances too short and a bit too much Joss Whedon-style tension busting comedy (though funnier than GotG 2) and just a little less gratuitous toy-selling action than I was expecting. Some rellies expressed interest in watching it which would be the only reason I'd bother seeing it one final time as it's a 3hr sit-down with all the ads. Skipping the midnight showing was the right call, I would've hated it for its flaws if I'd lost sleep to watch it.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Prey » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:40 am

Wrathbone wrote:Verdict: It's good, at times great, but beware of the reviews giving it gushing adulation. This is high-tier Star Wars, not an Empire Strikes Back-beater, so temper your expectations. Personally I'd place it alongside The Force Awakens (which I really like).


After the abysmal TFA you can certainly bet I've tempered my expectations massively as I'm not falling into the pit of hype that surrounded that movie with this outing either, if anything the hype and second star wars coming it's that good honest plateau for this one seems to be even greater. My hopes have been dashed once before. With the addition of Luke apparently being the best version of Luke ever (which I am also extremely dubious about) I already know I will come out liking oddly likeable Rey even more while hating one dimensional Finn even more and wishing Kylo Ren was actually the character they promised us when he was first introduced with the whole finish what you started aspect. I know that sounds so very overly assuming without seeing the film but after enduring TFA my expectations are sadly all but nil - 95% RT score be damned.

For me personally TFA was a golden representation of everything that is wrong with modern cinema and the fact that it had to happen in the Star Wars universe made it even more tragic and that much harder to swallow. It's not like I can't go and see it, it's Star Wars. I just don't want to walk away from a galaxy far far away once again with a feeling of complete despair and regret as I did last time.

Yep I'm still that salty about it. :lol:

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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Rusty » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:56 am

It was a passable film. I got more and more aggravated by several, consecutive 'last minute saves'. That soured the last portion of the film as it smacks of lazy writing. But overall all it was a nice film. I do wonder about when the next film will be set.

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I did wonder if the Hobo commander thing was a replacement for Carrie Fisher dying. Did she die after filming had finished?


I had a look at IMDB afterwards as I couldn't pin down one character and found out it was Laura Dern. I knew I knew her :)
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Apparently Gary Barlow was in it but I've found out he was probably just a stormtrooper and actually uncredited in the film itself.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby eVoL » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:05 am

Ooft.... I'm not looking forward to seeing this now! Lots of backlash from all around towards it when the bloody awful 7 got virtually nothing but praise around this time of its launch. :|
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Wrathbone » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:32 am

Rusty wrote:
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I did wonder if the Hobo commander thing was a replacement for Carrie Fisher dying. Did she die after filming had finished?



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Apparently Carrie Fisher completed all her scenes before she died. If Laura Dern had been brought in to fill in for missing scenes then it might have made more sense, but assuming she was always part of the story then it's a baffling choice.
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Re: Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Postby Nethlyn » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:22 pm

On the second viewing the rellies enjoyed it so now need to catch up with Force Awakens, that's that Xmas gift in the bag. Was able to study the detail of the battle scenes more closely but the usual Disney trope of

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No masked characters - imagine if Vader was told to take off his mask, BS


was still a pain. The final showdown's final act felt cut down (not sure if that was a reshoots issue or part of the half hour that was cut out) and could have resulted in a much better action scene than the one we got if they actually followed through on the two earlier hints they gave to what might happen.

But that's that, I've seen it twice, they got my cash, no need to rent it next year (and it might not come down to UK Netflix depending on their own streaming or buying Hulu), now the interest is how they can write around the lack of Carrie Fisher for Ep9.
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