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Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:58 pm
by gpa-gone-west
Sly Boots wrote:I hope PSG kept the receipt, Luiz is an horrific defender.

£50m, jeepers.


He wasnt the only one. I thought Fred was shit the whole world cup so far.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:03 pm
by katarn
Add "Hulk" to that list.

Flimsiest Brazil side I've ever seen.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:53 pm
by Zael
Brazil's goal did show how vulnerable the Germans are if the high line doesn't work by either catching the attacker offside or Neuer not being there to sweep. Robben/Messi could have a lot of fun with that line.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:24 am
by Eny
Van Persie is out with an intestinal problem...

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:12 am
by DjchunKfunK
A truly astounding game. Brazil were just woeful, I've never seen such poor defending by a top side on such a big stage before. I started to feel sorry for them after a while and hoped Germany would ease off a little bit. Like others I thought Germany would win as Brazil have been average at best and have been carried through by a combination of refereeing decisions and crowd support. However I never thought it would be like this. I don't think a host nation has ever lost by such a big score line or been booed off the pitch.

It is perhaps chickens coming home to roost in some respects. Perhaps Brazil have been living too much off the past and have failed to develop the players needed to succeed on the world stage. The emergence of Naymar has maybe papered over the cracks in this regard, but this defeat throws them wide open. Time for Brazil to take a long hard look at their national setup I think.

Regarding Germany I thought they were efficient, but they are not suddenly an amazing team. Brazil barely defended for most of the game making it easy for Germany. In the second half when Brazil had a period of possession and started to attack a bit, and at the end when they scored they showed that Germany are still very weak at the back. Don't forget this is the team that were terrorised by Algeria for 45 minutes and only just managed to scrape through. I think people need to get a bit of perspective before proclaiming that Germany are champions elect.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:18 am
by Sly Boots
Germany have been an excellent side since 2006 in fairness, probably been my guilty pleasure as far as international football goes since then. Spain have won the lot in that time, but personally find the style they've played doing it a bit dull. Germany have had the added power and adventure that I enjoy watching.

It's coming together more for them now as all the young players they started to bring through then are now hitting their peak... and there seems to be a lot more coming through the ranks as we speak - Reus, Gotze, Draxler et al.

Brazil have some great player but Scolari is not a great manager for them, are the likes of Fred, Jo and, for all his £50m pricetag, Luiz really the best they can do? Such a shame that a country whose football heritage is built on exciting, skillful football had to resort to cheating and thuggery, and I don't think you can look too far beyond the manager for that. Hopefully this will cause them to take a look at themselves a bit and maybe get back to what made them great in the first place.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:09 am
by DjchunKfunK
The cheating and thuggery started with Dunga to be fair, Scholari has just continued it.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:59 am
by Sly Boots
DjchunKfunK wrote:The cheating and thuggery started with Dunga to be fair, Scholari has just continued it.


Oh, absolutely.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:59 am
by gpa-gone-west
Ultimately a very forgettable Brazilian squad, apart from last nights thrashing, which lets face it nobody will ever forget.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:06 am
by gpa-gone-west
Sly Boots wrote:Hopefully this will cause them to take a look at themselves a bit and maybe get back to what made them great in the first place.


Unfortunately for them the likes of Socrates, Zico, Falcao, Jairzinho, Rivellino, Pele, Garrincha etc only come around on very rare occasions.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:18 am
by Zael
I don't think they've stopped producing great talent. Players like Neymar, Oscar, Filipe Luis, Thiago Silva, Costa (If he didn't betray his country) are all top players. It's just as Sly and DJ have said, Scolari has played them in a cynical, ugly way and has been found out by a good attacking side.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:26 pm
by Ronin
The last time Germany wrecked a whole country like this, I seem to remember a war crimes tribunal.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:51 pm
by Achtung Englander
Now that is comedy....

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:06 pm
by Eny
Danny Baker ‏@prodnose
wrote:
-Scandal Brewing? Brazil refused all urine tests after game saying "We've had the piss taken out of us quite enough for one night thank you."

-Incredible. Against all the odds this World Cup will now not be mainly remembered for Luis Suarez biting someone.

Re: World Cup 2014

PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:56 pm
by DjchunKfunK
Anyone watch the Holland v Argentina game? It's pretty dire.